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[Sanjana R]

Well, let them exist, doesn't mean J/B shippers need an army of extremists too.
It's not that every JC shipper is extreme. Yes, some of us LOVE JC but it doesn't mean we don't respect JB.
I'm okay with JB as long as people like it for the right reasons and not just because they believe that JC sucks so JB is a backup option.
I mean, I respect JB, I've read a few Betty fics and enjoyed them, my story makes Betty a nice person so far. I'm also a hardcore JC shipper. I don't like putting Betty down because she's decent and sweet although that's all we've ever seen of her. However, I don't like when people classify Cindy as an abusive person.
And also, while we're discussing this, another thing that irks me is how can someone like Helga/Arnold but not J/C?

[Urvy]

Because, Cindy is arrogant, rough, and downright unlikeable.

[Sanjana R]

Can you explain to me exactly how she's rough to Jimmy?
Physically?

[Urvy]

The pranks, the insults, the gloating, the threats of violence.

Not to mention, it's the rabid insane fans that made me HATE J/C with a passion-it sends the wrong message that people who love to attack you can be a good boyfriend or girlfriend. Cindy is like Edward Cullen, only without the stalking, the sparkles and peeping at windows. She is like Edward because she's dominant and she's verbally abusive (EX-Calling Jimmy "Nerdtron", making fun of him and his friends, etc).

[Sanjana R]

But none of those things physically hurt him, and I mean, if you're going to go the emotional route, there's nothing wrong with them competing. And Jimmy has comebacks too, so I assume he can handle it. I mean, she calls him a few names, but that's the extent of it. She never truly emotionally hurts him as far as I remember...

[Sanjana R]

You did not just compare Cindy to Edward Cullen
lulz.

I mean, she does care about him. She too has shown her softer side and that's her real side. She just masks it because of her implied bad home life and because she doesn't want to appear vulnerable.

I mean, in that way, I'd say what Betty's doing is equally wrong then, because she's playing with Jim's emotions too since she's flirtatious but also gives him up during the magic show episode. She never liked him, I think (not that we'll ever find out, sadly), but she liked the ATTENTION he was giving her.

[SweeneyxxTodd]

Can I just interject on a random tangent here?

I don't understand where the majority of the JN fandom got the idea that Cindy has a bad home life. Her mother is never seen as being cruel or critical or demanding toward her. If anything, her mother goes out of her way to brag about Cindy's wonderfulness to other parents (example: Out, Darn Spotlight. "My Cynthia is the star of the show!" as well as encouraging Cindy's random, spunky stuff. Also: The N Men. "My Cynthia can't stay there! She's too delicate!" I know Cindy's not delicate, but her mother is very concerned about Cindy being taken away by the army. And do I have to mention the huge parent-saving scheme in WLK?).

[Urvy]

She gave him up because of the stupidity of Carl and Sheen. I believe the writers did that to please the J/Cers and throw them a bone, thus, Stranded.

[rumorgirl1983]

Can I just interject on a random tangent here?

I don't understand where the majority of the JN fandom got the idea that Cindy has a bad home life. Her mother is never seen as being cruel or critical or demanding toward her. If anything, her mother goes out of her way to brag about Cindy's wonderfulness to other parents (example: Out, Darn Spotlight. "My Cynthia is the star of the show!" as well as encouraging Cindy's random, spunky stuff. Also: The N Men. "My Cynthia can't stay there! She's too delicate!" I know Cindy's not delicate, but her mother is very concerned about Cindy being taken away by the army. And do I have to mention the huge parent-saving scheme in WLK?).

I do remember one part in Stranded where she said she had a piano lesson that afternoon and she would be in a lot of trouble with her mother if she missed it. I think that was where some of the ideas about Cindy's home life came from, was that episode. I could be wrong though - I'm just guessing.

[Urvy]

Can I just interject on a random tangent here?

I don't understand where the majority of the JN fandom got the idea that Cindy has a bad home life. Her mother is never seen as being cruel or critical or demanding toward her. If anything, her mother goes out of her way to brag about Cindy's wonderfulness to other parents (example: Out, Darn Spotlight. "My Cynthia is the star of the show!" as well as encouraging Cindy's random, spunky stuff. Also: The N Men. "My Cynthia can't stay there! She's too delicate!" I know Cindy's not delicate, but her mother is very concerned about Cindy being taken away by the army. And do I have to mention the huge parent-saving scheme in WLK?).

That Mary, is what we call a Stage Mom. Stage Moms, like the ones seen on TLC, tend to pressure their kid to be the best, hence, Cindy's obsession with being the best at everything.

[RocksmySocks]

Em, you have never experienced what I saw outside of IDOJ about the crazed J/C shippers.

Have the ponies taught you nothing, Urvy?

Love and tolerate, good sir. Love and tolerate. No need to retaliate. You're arguing that it's okay to vilify one character because people already do it to another. Which, I may point out, bothers you. You don't like that a certain character is vilified, and then you turn around and try to say that it's totally understandable to vilify a different character. And you seem to wonder why more people aren't on your side.

Remember, around here, Urvy, we're all tolerant of different pairings. We don't vilify Betty here. We have tolerated you vilifying Cindy for a long time, though. Because IDOJ is a brilliant example of Pony love. Think about how upset you'd be if an IDOJer started spouting out their theory of Betty's inner evilness. You wouldn't be happy. In fact, you'd probably want Mara or someone to do something about it, because inciting such anger towards characters isn't something we do here on IDOJ. Yet...and just think about this...we tolerate the fact that you do this with Cindy all the time. Because we respect you, and your opinions.

You can believe what you wish, but next time when you feel like talking this subject, remember. What would the ponies do?

Love and tolerate. That's what ponies do, and that's what IDOJers do.

[rumorgirl1983]

I have to side with what Emily and Sanjana have already said here. I'm a J/C fan too. Always have been, always will be.

Cindy's home life was, in a way, somewhat implied in Stranded ("my mother's going to murder me for missing my piano lesson this afternoon!" - she says this to Jimmy the first day they are stranded on the island). As I said to Mary in my earlier comment, this is only my guess and if I am wrong, I do apologize. Even veteran fans like myself get a little forgetful from time to time.

Regardless of Cindy's home life though, Cindy does show a softer side. Stranded is an example of this as well as the near-confession moments in The N Men and League of Villians. And even the dungeon scene in the movie - that's the first time we see Cindy's softer side prior to the series and you can tell even back then that she really did care about him.

To quote what I read in the fanfic "Hot Cocoa" she gets him in a way no one else ever will and she challenges him. Betty is a nice person and I think she might have liked Jimmy as an acquaintance, but nothing more than that. Jimmy and Cindy have been through a lot together too - all of their adventures have brought them closer and closer together. Plus, as we find in King of Mars when she wears the space suit, she is every bit as attractive as Betty if not more attractive - she's the complete package of beauty and brains.

It's okay if you guys disagree with me. I won't be upset at all. Just throwing out my two cents FWIW.

[rumorgirl1983]

Have the ponies taught you nothing, Urvy?

Love and tolerate, good sir. Love and tolerate. No need to retaliate. You're arguing that it's okay to vilify one character because people already do it to another. Which, I may point out, bothers you. You don't like that a certain character is vilified, and then you turn around and try to say that it's totally understandable to vilify a different character. And you seem to wonder why more people aren't on your side.

Remember, around here, Urvy, we're all tolerant of different pairings. We don't vilify Betty here. We have tolerated you vilifying Cindy for a long time, though. Because IDOJ is a brilliant example of Pony love. Think about how upset you'd be if an IDOJer started spouting out their theory of Betty's inner evilness. You wouldn't be happy. In fact, you'd probably want Mara or someone to do something about it, because inciting such anger towards characters isn't something we do here on IDOJ. Yet...and just think about this...we tolerate the fact that you do this with Cindy all the time. Because we respect you, and your opinions.

You can believe what you wish, but next time when you feel like talking this subject, remember. What would the ponies do?

Love and tolerate. That's what ponies do, and that's what IDOJers do.

Definitely words to live by, Katie. I always try to respect everyone's opinions here. Connecting with JN fans is something I have done for a long time. I enjoy this fandom and all of the people I have met along the way and I would not trade any of the moments I've had the last 7 years I've been doing this for nothing.

Being respectful of different opinions, as well as "love" and "toleration" are all very important in any fan community.

[Urvy]

You forgot one thing Katie-Cupcakes.

There's always dirty sides in fandoms, sadly, the ponies taught me one other thing-one story can ruin a character's reputation thanks to Cupcakes and Rainbow Factory.

I was referring to Em about the dirty side of JN fandom, including a now-forgotten fanfic where Cindy beats and whips Jimmy in her basement.

[Urvy]

Definitely words to live by, Katie. I always try to respect everyone's opinions here. Connecting with JN fans is something I have done for a long time. I enjoy this fandom and all of the people I have met along the way and I would not trade any of the moments I've had the last 7 years I've been doing this for nothing.

Being respectful of different opinions, as well as "love" and "toleration" are all very important in any fan community.

Tell that to the psychos outside of IDOJ, Brit. They refuse to accept it, they prefer hate and intolerance.

[RocksmySocks]

You forgot one thing Katie-Cupcakes.

There's always dirty sides in fandoms, sadly, the ponies taught me one other thing-one story can ruin a character's reputation thanks to Cupcakes and Rainbow Factory.

I was referring to Em about the dirty side of JN fandom, including a now-forgotten fanfic where Cindy beats and whips Jimmy in her basement.

I didn't forget that at all, Urvy. I think you're missing my point. The point is you need to bring the love and tolerance. You shouldn't let the bad people make YOU bad, too. Hold onto your morals of respecting others. That's the point. It doesn't matter if there are sucky people out there that say mean things. Be a better person, and love and tolerate. It's simple. It's not easy, but it's simple. And it's how we operate here.

[Sanjana R]

Hate is the same thing, be it towards Betty Quinlan or Cindy Vortex. Vilifying Cindy Vortex is just as bad as vilifying Betty Quinlan.
However, I understand the fanfic you read may have been disturbing or scarring about your view towards JC, but the fact remains Cindy is still a child at heart, for heaven's sake, and a HUMAN!

She has saved Jimm'ys life numerous times, she was the only one who could calm him down when he was the Hulk, and not to mention her concern when he talked to April in WLK was not something to be underestimated. I'm simply highly opinionated on this, because Cindy is my favorite character on this show and always has been. Even otherwise, I always remember the scene in WLK when Jimmy is jumping through the arch to the finish line of the game against the brains and the arm grabs him to be crushed by the razors and she shouts, "Neutron!" and rushes forward to help him although no one else does, not even the others.

There are times, I feel when Cindy is highly vilified, like if people say that she betrayed him on WLK by voting him out, although people artfully forget that he too voted her out. He was being a brat and had she and the others not stepped in, Earth would have most definitely been destroyed.

I'm getting a bit off topic here, but I agree with Brit and Emily.
Cindy deserves respect.

[Sanjana R]

Also speaking of the fanfic you just mentioned, the author, to be honest sounds very twisted.
To suggest that Cindy would beat Jimmy is insulting, I mean, she has done all the stuff I just mentioned above, like save him numerous times ^^

[Urvy]

I don't support bullies, period. Bullies are animals, not humans. Doesn't matter if Cindy did save Jimmy's life, that doesn't change my opinion on her vile, nasty nature.

[Cinnamon Ninja]

Cindy isn't a bully. Butch is a bully, Cindy is not.

She's a little rough sometimes, yes, but she has a squishy centre of caring. C: She is not truly malicious towards Jimmy.