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[Zoey <3]

I don't like the idea at all, and its not because I'm a J/C fan. I don't think I would like the idea of J/B even if I wasn't a J/C fan. I Just think its too "Safe". I don't know how els to put it.

[Fire Pearl]

Not that this topic hasn't been brought up a hundred times before, but...

Don't like it, don't hate it, don't care for it. The show hasn't given away anything about Betty's character that made me interested in her nor gave me any particular reasons to believe that she and Jimmy are a 'match made in heaven'. She's just...there. She's nice, I'd say she's quite smart too, that's it. Of course Jimmy would like her, who wouldn't if they were in his place? But I don't see anything special about his crush that'd spark anything beyond that.

And in theory I think Betty's better off without him. It's hard to stand out next to someone who's as resourceful (and proud) as Jimmy. She doesn't seem the type who'd care much for doing so nonetheless. If she was to get involved with Jimmy and they'd stay the way they interacted in the show, she'd be nothing but the supporting partner in the background, smiling up at the great genius. Once he's won her over, I mean. Which would make me sad, cause I don't think such a role is all too healthy for a young woman.


She can shine on her own.

[Katy]

i'm ok with betty/jimmy but i don't ship it though since she's not intelligent like jimmy. Jimmy needs someone smart, and in the canon sense i support j/c since cindy is also in intelligent, but if jimmy could date someone not in his universe i would like him with sailor mercury. she's more perfect for jimmy than cindy is. if you nenver of sailor mercury, she's a heroine in the show sailor moon, and like cindy she's highly intelligent, but is extremely kind, and supportive like Betty

[John Richards]

The thing about Betty is, we really don't see enough of her to attribute anything particularly negative to her. For all we know, she's even smarter than Cindy.

[Katy]

umm what they did reveal about Betty, i highly doubt she's smarter than Cindy.

[Urvy]

You know my answer

Also, please refer to my J/C criticism essay about my thoughts on demonizing Betty.

[John Richards]

The problem is, you're mistaking "no evidence" for "lack of evidence". Betty doesn't demonstrate that she's intelligent, but she doesn't demonstrate that she isn't either. We don't see her often enough for her to express any sort of intelligence she might have.

[okmeamithinknow]

I don't think we know enough about Betty's character for at least me to make an informed decision about the subject, though I do tend to ship cannon. Seeing as how the writers spend a long time setting up the relationships in the first place.

~Crys~

[Urvy]

I agree with John on this one.

If JN was renewed, we could see more of Betty. But know, that damn sponge killed our chances.

I know I left this out of my essay, but the Jimmy/Cindy paring is a cliche, the "mean-girl-falls-with-smart-guy" thing is kinda weird.

[John Richards]

My opinion is that they should be allowed to coexist. JB is so much sweeter but JC is older and seems more like what the writers were going for. IMO JC only has one sweet moment but it makes the ship worth it IMO, and that's the starting at each other in spaceships bit in the original movie.

[RocksmySocks]

Frankly, as a writer...no. I don't like the idea of Betty/Jimmy. Not because I don't like Betty, but just like as others have said, we just don't know much about her. What we do seem to know is that she doesn't have a crush on Jimmy (she practically hands him to Cindy on a platter), and that she's a decent human being.

What I look for in pairings is chemistry. Betty is too...plain in the show. You need two fun personalities to have chemistry. Betty doesn't have any personality going for her. The writer's didn't give her much of one, because her role was to be a point of jealousy for Cindy. *shrug* Sounds harsh, but it's true. This isn't the "fangirl" in me speaking. I'm looking at this as a writer.

I'm fine with people taking the character Betty and moving her forward in fanfics or in their imagination. And even if they pair her up with Jimmy, as long as they do it well, I'm totally cool with it.

But in the JN cartoon series itself, no. Jimmy/Betty was not the intention of the writers. She's a plot point more than a character.

(Obviously, I'm not saying people shouldn't ship it.)

[John Richards]

I definitely understand that point of view, and even agree with it to the extent that I agree that that was the intent of the writers. I disagree that it WORKS, but I agree that that was what the writer intended.

[Urvy]

With all due respect Katie, in my opinion, the writers are apparently masochists. Meaning, they love pain. They wanted Jimmy to go with Cindy because they wanted her to dominate him. When the show ended, no one knows what happened with Jimmy and Cindy, maybe the pairing became one sided and Cindy got frustrated with Jimmy working on inventions, causing her to become abusive and violent. I know people can change, but one thing is for sure as well, old habits are hard to break sometimes. Not to mention, Cindy's (unseen) unhappy life of trying to be better than other people, that would cause her mind to reach its' boiling point and cause her to go insane and snap at Jimmy and abuse him, psychologically and physically.

This would happen to Cindy if the pressures of her mother twist her mind and cause her to snap:





A likely possibility for her to go mad, only without becoming Catwoman.

Even if they grow up as teens and get married, it would not be a happy marriage, as seen in The Tomorrow Boys. I remembered reading a JN Fanfic about Cindy abusing Jimmy and beating him on DA. I would find it, but it's hard to find on DA.

I believe the writers wanted Jimmy to be with Cindy because they have a thing for the "mean-bully-girl-falls-for-smart-boy" cliche.

[okmeamithinknow]

With all due respect to you Urvy, that's mere speculation. Cindy's 11. I highly doubt that a psychotic break is something you can predict at age 11. Speaking as a teacher, most 11 year old girls act that way around the guys that they like.

Honestly, this argument is pretty futile. They're 11. I only know of one person personally who married their childhood sweetheart. Everyone else either met them in high school or some time afterwards. Who knows, maybe Jimmy would move away and meet the girl of his dreams somewhere else.

The likelihood of Jimmy ending up with either Cindy or Betty, or even Sheen, Carl, Libby, or even Ms. Fowl is most likely slim to none.

~Crys~

[Urvy]

I understand what you said, Crys. I didn't know you're a teacher.

I just don't get the "mean-bully-girl-falls-for-smart-boy" cliche. It may have worked on Hey Arnold, but JN takes this cliche higher.

[Fire Pearl]

And so a thread about whether Jimmy and Betty could work as a couple came dangerously close to turning into yet another 'does JC make sense or not' discussion. =) It seems one ship can't be discussed without comparing it to others. It's a whole network of love out there.

On that note, I don't know you very well Mister Urvy, but you seem to spend an awful lot of time disliking one 'rivaling' ship and being disgruntled about it, when shipping is supposed to be a fun thing to do. I understand that you're disappointed that the writers' decision didn't suit your taste, but why not focus on how wonderful Jimmy/Betty is to ship? (Yeah, I read the essay.)


If I listed in my head all possibilities of my favorite -fictional- characters ending up in an abusive relationship, the cruel way some complete strangers treat a favorite heroine of mine in fanfiction - or contemplating the slim chances of my ship to succeed in reality for that matter- I'd be a very unhappy camper and make nobody feel sad but myself. And that I don't think shipping is about at all.


I'm terribly sorry if I come off rude, but I've been eating nothing but salad for the past three months and thus a horrible, meatless bitterness is circulating through my veins.


And now I demand to be pelted for off-topicness and freakingly presumptous behavior which's idiocy will make me shake my wise, wise head when I've turned older.

[okmeamithinknow]

And so a thread about whether Jimmy and Betty could work as a couple came dangerously close to turning into yet another 'does JC make sense or not' discussion. =) It seems one ship can't be discussed without comparing it to others. It's a whole network of love out there.

On that note, I don't know you very well Mister Urvy, but you seem to spend an awful lot of time disliking one 'rivaling' ship and being disgruntled about it, when shipping is supposed to be a fun thing to do. I understand that you're disappointed that the writers' decision didn't suit your taste, but why not focus on how wonderful Jimmy/Betty is to ship? (Yeah, I read the essay.)


If I listed in my head all possibilities of my favorite -fictional- characters ending up in an abusive relationship, the cruel way some complete strangers treat a favorite heroine of mine in fanfiction - or contemplating the slim chances of my ship to succeed in reality for that matter- I'd be a very unhappy camper and make nobody feel sad but myself. And that I don't think shipping is about at all.

~Crys~

[Urvy]

Pearl, 2 things:

1-I wasn't bashing J/C with childish insults and such.

2-The reason why I preferred J/B, is because unlike Cindy, Betty never insulted or threatened Jimmy at all.

[okmeamithinknow]

2-The reason why I preferred J/B, is because unlike Cindy, Betty never insulted or threatened Jimmy at all.

That you know of. We don't see enough of her character to really get to know if that would be the way that she would act.

~Crys~

[Urvy]

That's true, if JN had a 4th season if it wasn't for SpongeBob, we would got to known her more. But, poor Betty was the victim of rabid extremists (that are outside of this site and boards) of vilifying her just that she won't get in the way of the extremists' "twu wuv of Jimmy/Cindy.