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[JimmyxxCindy4EVER]

Nonsense, Mara!! In MY opinion, you're a PRO in that area!!!! You ROCK!!!

[Wizard]

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'Fight'? Wow. I certainly don't intend to state an opinion on this forum ever again.

[Flank]

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'Fight'? Wow. I certainly don't intend to state an opinion on this forum ever again.

"Fight"? I really don't think there was any. Even when I disagree with you a lot. Just a few people rather overreacted. In my opinion, different points of view help to see the characters better.

[Wizard]

I meant the fact that two people with differing opinions having a discussion is somehow classified thus.

I also find it laughable that the people who got on my ass about it were J/Cers.

[RocksmySocks]

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'Fight'? Wow. I certainly don't intend to state an opinion on this forum ever again.

A lot of time people seem to overreact around here for some reason. Not entirely sure why that is. I certainly didn't think it the debate was anywhere near "fight" level, but some viewers did, I guess. Oh well. It's taken care of now, and those that thought it was a big deal have since realized that it wasn't. *shrugs*

Let's not make a big deal out of THAT now. :P

[Wizard]

I still don't take kindly to being jumped on for stating why I don't like J/C, for responding to a post that could have been the beginning of what I'd hoped would be an intelligent and interesting debate or for, in one instance, elaborating on the fact that I won't like the pairing no matter how much one rams it into my face, which someone seemed quite prepared to do.

Well, J/Cers, you can haaaaaave your eight millionth adorationtopic.

[RocksmySocks]

I still don't take kindly to being jumped on for stating why I don't like J/C, for responding to a post that could have been the beginning of what I'd hoped would be an intelligent and interesting debate or for, in one instance, elaborating on the fact that I won't like the pairing no matter how much one rams it into my face, which someone seemed quite prepared to do.

Well, J/Cers, you can haaaaaave your eight millionth adorationtopic.

I'd be completely willing to have a debate about it, if you'd still like to, Wiz.

I enjoy debating stories and characters with people.

I'm sorry if you felt my post at all was "jumping down anyone's throat". I usually find myself on the defensive about the JC thing, because frankly I'm scared to talk about it. Worried what others will think of me. Several people on this site - veteran members, respected members, such as yourself - do not like JC. And so I get scared I'll be thought less of for liking it. I think several of us feel that way.

Now, you, on the other hand, feel on the defensive because you are in the minority. So when you have two groups come together to talk about a subject, both feeling like they need to throw up every defense possible, you tend to get a few fireworks.

But if we can both set down our shields, I'm sure we could have a very interesting debate. ^_^

[Flank]

I just hope that I didn't say anything wrong, Wiz.

[Wizard]

Never mind debates, there's a damper on my interest now. I should've learned long ago that IDOJ is not the place to try and hold any sort of conversation that extends beyond banana-throwing and compliments, else it's immediately assumed to be a hateful ragefest aimed towards other people. I apologize for making the mistake of trying to.

And bloody heck, that is no excuse. The oldest veteran and most respected person on this site, its owner, is a J/Cer (or something like one), and I'll be frank: this is the first time I've ever seen J/Cers being 'shy' about what they support, no doubt because this is the first topic that was ever actually against it. I see no such bashful or insecure behavior on the ones that are in favor of it, and those are just as accessible by anti-J/Cers.

I'm also irritated that some of you can't swallow an opinion that isn't your own when it's been backed up by logic, opting instead to point and screech RAAAAAAAAAEP.

I am done with this.

[RocksmySocks]

Never mind debates, there's a damper on my interest now. I should've learned long ago that IDOJ is not the place to try and hold any sort of conversation that extends beyond banana-throwing and compliments, else it's immediately assumed to be a hateful ragefest aimed towards other people. I apologize for making the mistake of trying to.

And bloody heck, that is no excuse. The oldest veteran and most respected person on this site, its owner, is a J/Cer (or something like one), and I'll be frank: this is the first time I've ever seen J/Cers being 'shy' about what they support, no doubt because this is the first topic that was ever actually against it. I see no such bashful or insecure behavior on the ones that are in favor of it, and those are just as accessible by anti-J/Cers.

I'm also irritated that some of you can't swallow an opinion that isn't your own when it's been backed up by logic, opting instead to point and screech RAAAAAAAAAEP.

I am done with this.

I'm very sorry you feel that way, Wiz. I guess you've spent a longer time than I have here, so you have been dealing with loud JCers for a while now. I really do enjoy debates and would have loved to debate with you - I think you would have found I was rather different than some of the JCers that you may have met in the past. But if you don't feel like debating, then that is fine, too. I can see how you might be frustrated.

For me, though, being nervous about openly enjoying JC IS a very good excuse...because it is completely true. I am very nervous about it. Even if you don't understand how that is possible, I would hope you'd at least respect the way I felt.

In any case, I am sorry that you're too fed up to come back to this topic. Just...try to remember not to lump people into "JCer" and "anti-JCer" categories, because we're all individuals and all have different ways to discuss and debate. I was just trying to extend a hand as a friend and as someone who enjoys a good intellectual discussion. I suppose you have too much negative past-history with this to be willing to trust someone in that regard, though, which is unfortunate.

Anyhow, I'm fine with letting this drop now. I'm sorry that it didn't work out.

[Flank]

I'll say sorry, if I overdid it too. I really respect your opinion in all ways. You add a good portion of thoughts that make sense.

I do like J/C and I really like Cindy. But, it's rather a simple childish story and may be I'd even want to see Cindy with somebody else. coughsomebodywhoappreciatespinkbathrobes

[Wizard]

For me, though, being nervous about openly enjoying JC IS a very good excuse...because it is completely true. I am very nervous about it. Even if you don't understand how that is possible, I would hope you'd at least respect the way I felt.

I'm sorry? Last I checked it was Laura and I who were discussing the subject, not you, until you stepped in. You've no right to pull that card on me because it concerns you and you weren't even involved. I respect your feelings, but they do not apply. At all.

Just...try to remember not to lump people into "JCer" and "anti-JCer" categories, because we're all individuals and all have different ways to discuss and debate.

I am not in preschool, m'dear, and I should hope that I am quite aware of the concept of individualism. When it comes to subjects like this, however, it is easier to speak about groups rather than going 'J/Cers normally do THIS except Name who doesn't do that entirely but acts more along these lines, or Name2 who's more likely to this sort of thing, or Name3 who's actually quite amiable about the whole thing'. I am not blind. I am not stupid. I am AWARE of all of these alternatives, I am simply not going to list them for the sake of ease.

I really respect your opinion in all ways. You add a good portion of thoughts that make sense.

Thank you, Flank. I've been waiting to hear something like that.

Times have changed, and the J/Cers on here aren't just crazy about fluff and will squeel and listen to nothing else against it. Most of them are intelligent and will listen to why you like or dislike.

Until they're tired of hearing alternate opinions and opt to veto any discussion containing such, hm?

Anyway, like I said, I'm done. Mara's probably going to come along with the b&hammer at this point now if she was of the opinion that that was a fight.

Edit: Oh, and I had no problems talking with Laura, which you people don't seem to understand. I had problems with the idiots who decided we were fighting.

[Flank]

Yes, Wiz, I'm trying to respect your opinion and you with your opinion. Even when it has nothing to do with mine.

I hope you can enjoy the other topics of this forum.

[J/C AVA]

Look Wiz...

I'm sorry if I acted the way I acted. I'm such an idiot!! :grr:

I didn't mean to push my view on you like that. I respect your views and opinions. It's true, I should've thought more.

But if you're really feeling like that, (and I'm guessing you want to leave here forever because people like myself as such loud J/Cers and I'm REALLY sorry about that) then I can't stop you.

I just want you to know that I'm VERY sorry. I know that maybe you don't care and don't accept a simple sorry answer, but I just wish I can build a better friendship with you better.

But if you really want to leave, then I'm not stopping you. You'll always be a friend here.

[Wizard]

Urgh, I'm not going to leave because of something as small as this! I'm not so juvenile! I just wished to express my distaste concerning the way some of you acted. I do not take kindly to what I perceived as biased illogic, especially when it's shown by people who have no idea what's going on (I'll repeat it, Laura and I were simply TRYING TO TALK), and am I unreasonable for it? I'll admit I've got a very, very short fuse when it comes to that sort of thing, but all the same, tell me this: when's the last time you've seen me blow up on the IDOJ forums?

And I wasn't even bothered 'bout you, Pedro. You were contributing to the debate, which I love and appreciate! My irritation was solely with the people who decided that OMG TWO PEOPLE R TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING AND AREN'T ON THE SAME SIDE IT MUST BE A WAR. I am not a five year old that will hate forever on someone who thinks in a way that's different from how I do, and I am quite certain that Laura isn't, either!

Thanks for all of your apologies, though. I do appreciate it. This sort of thing is just mighty frustrating.

[RocksmySocks]

I'm sorry? Last I checked it was Laura and I who were discussing the subject, not you, until you stepped in. You've no right to pull that card on me because it concerns you and you weren't even involved. I respect your feelings, but they do not apply. At all.

I only stepped in to offer to debate with you. I'm sorry if it seemed otherwise. I brought up the fact that I was nervous about stating how much I liked JC, and you next post said that was "no excuse". I assumed you meant that toward me, but if not, then I can understand why you'd be confused. But if that statement was directed at my mentioning of being nervous about publicly shipping JC, then I feel my feelings did matter in this discussion. I had assumed it was directed at me - like I said, I am sorry if you were not directing that at me. I only "pulled that card" because I thought you were saying to me that I had no reason to be shy about liking JC.

So really...I am very sorry, Wiz. I was feeling offended with your statements, and replied as such. But perhaps I misunderstood. In the beginning I was just offering to have a debate, and to me, your replies to that offer sounded rather harsh, even if you didn't intend them to be that way.


Anyhow. Note to fellow IDOJers: I am not upset with Wiz. Please please PLEASE don't misconstrue this as drama in any form. I think it was just a misunderstanding. So...yes. Don't panic that serious shizznet is going down, or anyone is leaving, or anything. Relax!

[.:!Gwen!:.]

Edderd, it's okay. Personally, I've found that JCers have moved slightly up the evolutionary chain from back in the day.

Yes, they overreacted, but did you really expect anything more? That doesn't mean people like me don't absolutely adore your opinion like it's the freaking Hope Diamond or something. 8C

And some JCers DO want your opinion. )8

IT'S OKAAAAAAY. --petsyourfase--





.:!Gwen!:.

[Zoey <3]

:blink: Umm... *Leaves the topic*

[Wizard]

I only stepped in to offer to debate with you. I'm sorry if it seemed otherwise. I brought up the fact that I was nervous about stating how much I liked JC, and you next post said that was "no excuse". I assumed you meant that toward me, but if not, then I can understand why you'd be confused. But if that statement was directed at my mentioning of being nervous about publicly shipping JC, then I feel my feelings did matter in this discussion. I had assumed it was directed at me - like I said, I am sorry if you were not directing that at me. I only "pulled that card" because I thought you were saying to me that I had no reason to be shy about liking JC.

I did not intend to sound as if I meant you personally, and I am sorry if it appeared that way. It seemed as though you had used the excuse for all of your fellow shippers rather than just yourself, and I flipped because I know the majority of them are far, far from shy about supporting what they do. You may be and most likely are different, and that is fine. I just didn't like, as it had looked to me at the time, that you justified the fact that everyone went out of their way to shut us up with such a flimsy excuse.

And some JCers DO want your opinion. )8

Or pieces of it. They seemed to have cut it off quite abruptly. Not that I care, it's more the principle of the thing.

Okay, folks, I'm done hijacking your topic. Take it back and return to loving on your ship or whatever it is you do.

[RocksmySocks]

I did not intend to sound as if I meant you personally, and I am sorry if it appeared that way. It seemed as though you had used the excuse for all of your fellow shippers rather than just yourself, and I flipped because I know the majority of them are far, far from shy about supporting what they do. You may be and most likely are different, and that is fine. I just didn't like, as it had looked to me at the time, that you justified the fact that everyone went out of their way to shut us up with such a flimsy excuse.

Nah, it's alright. ^_^ Thanks for the apology. I was guessing that I misunderstood your reply, and that's where the confusion stemmed. I know a lot of very vocal JCers, and I can DEFINITELY see why that excuse would sound pretty dumb if it was meant to refer to them. I was referring to the handful of us who feel awkward because we like JC but don't really want to to be associated with the LEIK OMG JC 4EVAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! crowd.

So anyway, thanks! And again, I'm sorry for my somewhat flippant replies. I'm glad everything is sorted out.

Okay, folks, I'm done hijacking your topic. Take it back and return to loving on your ship or whatever it is you do.

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