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[ShadRose17]

Today's the daaaaaay, I'm terrified! =D

[ShadRose17]

I am still processing, I think I need to see it again before I fully process that ending.

[Katia11]

Hopefully you enjoyed it!!

[Pigquet3]

I am still processing, I think I need to see it again before I fully process that ending.

 

I TOTALL GET THAT. I felt crazy that I hadn't come to see your thoughts and post my own for over a week and half. Hell it'll be posted on youtube tomorrow I believe (Friday the 19th) to watch again, and you'd think I didn't even see it in theaters with how silent I've been. But knowing you didn't know what to say after your first viewing makes me feel less ridiculous. 

 

I think you and I are the only 2 on IDOJ who are hardcore fans and follow it deeply, so maybe spoiler tags aren't necessary. If I'm wrong I'm really sorry and will add them later. 

 

Bullet points for now. SPOILERS.

 

- It was SUCH a cool experience being in a theater full of internet geeks. I hadn't been to a movie theater in 4 and a half years since West Side Story, and hadn't been to a theater all by myself in even longer years, I can't remember. There was a group of guys seated first in the middle of the room who joked to the next person who came in after me "Just call us Scratch and the gang" equivalent to the first ones in the circus. I got to hear the first few minute's of that same group's discussion when it was over. There was someone else running to their seat with a Jax plushie. The whole thing felt like dreaming, a theater being used for something popular but not quite "mainstream." Packed room and various ages. Awesome.

 

- I didn't want to believe it about Jax. The fact that it happened off screen and we were just meant to immediately accept it made my stomach drop. And while I'm surprised I didn't cry (at least not yet, maybe it just hasn't hit me and is very delayed like Gangle), it did mess me up so much. : ( It shouldn't be surprising, he's almost abstracted a handful of times before, but each time something stopped him so I guess we took that for granted, got it in our heads - or at least I did - that it wouldn't happen. Mentally if anyone was unstable enough it would be him, but...damn.

 

- I've been obsessed with the fatherly relationship between Kinger and Pomni since Episode 3 and even more since Episode 8, and I'm glad they got to have one more beautiful talk and scene like that before it's over. 

 

- I DON'T know how to feel about Caine getting a redemption. Like AT ALL. My mom has heard me say this over and over even though she doesn't know shit about the show - knew I was looking forward to this for months and is glad I had a great time, but can't understand what it's about whenever I try to explain and summarize it - she said "redemption, like a second chance? Why wouldn't you want someone to have a second chance?" but he's an AI, he cannot feel remorse! I know it's fiction and we attribute human qualities to other non-human fictional characters that we never would in real life, like the robots in WALL-E for example, but I feel like the show has driven home so well and with such clever detail and consistency that Caine cannot ever understand or feel the way the humans do, only for that to change and for him to be so apologetic and understanding here at the end. I'm GLAD all of our characters have more freedom and choice and contentment, but a strong part of me wishes they'd gotten there another way. But I haven't read other comments yet (aside from non-spoiler comments under the pilot on youtube about how it feel surreal that it's over now) so maybe watching it again and other perspectives will change my mind over time. It's literally my ONLY complaint or negative thought, but it's kind of a big thing, lol.

 

- The revelation of all of their real names and current real-life endeavors did get me extremely emotional, and when that same music from the ending dinner scene of the pilot started playing - the contrast from a horrified and shellshocked Pomni to a content and happy Pomni, it was so amazing, my goosebumps and chills must've been visible to everyone in the theater. I found a short of that music on youtube and was playing it literally on a loop for the first few days after seeing the finale.

 

- I can only remember that Jax's name is Leroy because of a fanfic on AO3, lol. Abigail was said enough times, and I think I remember Kinger's name is Grant, so I look forward to watching it again and refreshing my memory. Learning that he's still with his wife and they have 2 daughters and he's a great dad melted my heart, that's perfect.

 

- I gasped along with most of the theater at the fun live action post-credit scene at the bus stop. I don't know what I expected to happen after the reveal, but it was both cool as and chilling as f*ck.

 

 

I guess that was a bit more than bullet points, huh. I don't post for over a week, and then can't stop typing, all my opinions come back to me at once. lol

 

I did somehow manage not to sing along to Caine's song in Episode 8 in the theater, but it was a Herculean task.

 

 

 

 

 

Pigquet

[ShadRose17]

OKAY, I've seen it again and I gotta say, it's still hard to process lol.

I feel like I was able to enjoy it more the second time in the comfort of my home. I did like my theater experience over all, but the room was full and a few people were prone to screaming(and the loudest dude was right next to us,) so I felt a little weird. There were a lot of nice people though and seeing people in cosplay and with their plushies and merch was super fun.

SPOILERS AHEAD:

So for the episode itself, I don't know, I have mixed feelings? It wasn't a bad episode and honestly it was a pretty good finale, but I don't know exactly how to feel.

The whole Jax thing took me off guard but yet it didn't; unfortunately I had been spoiled and was hoping I wasn't, but I was. Someone in the comments of a video I had watched said something to the effect of "they're brain scans, Jax abstracts, Caine comes back," and maybe that's part of the reason why I found myself a little disappointed over all because I already knew what happened and was desperately hoping that I didn't.

I'm also very... irritated with Jax is a good way to put it. Even though he's always been a jerk, he's always been my like second favorite, but what happened with Ribbit really frustrated me. Like come on man, you literally pushed your friend away so hard you caused her to abstract and then you turned around and did it again with Kaufmo and tried to do it to Pomni? Are you kidding me? I get you have trauma but I wanna throw you into the truck that hit Gangle lol. It is interesting though that (at least according to majority agreed theory) the door of Pomni's abstraction in his mind was sealed shut so tight it couldn't be open, it makes you wonder what was behind it. (Which I'm sure is the point lol.)

The part with Pomni and him still ripped my heart out of my chest, the "You weren't supposed to miss me, you weren't supposed to love me,' and "I don't want to go" hurt so bad and I can't deny I am living in perpetual denial. My head canon is that eventually they find a way to fix abstractions; if Caine created them from mind files, why couldn't they find a way to patch whatever actually causes abstraction? But that's just my way of fixing it in my mind lol.

I actually kind of like what they did with Caine, but I personally felt Caine is more misunderstood. I liked the idea of him breaking out of the box and such. Don't get me wrong what he did was insane (although it looks like part of that was due to Bubble/Blue AI), but I think prior to his breakdown he was actually trying as hard as an AI could to understand, he just... didn't. He's AI, he learns differently than humans. But I understand the perspective of he's AI can he actually learn empathy at all, so I get that!

I like the way they established a great friendship with Pomni and Ragatha before it was over, I would have liked to see more character development with some of the others but over all I don't think it was bad. I did like the scene with Kinger and Pomni too, I love Kinger in dad mode, you know Grant Best is a good dad.

I LOVED the post credit scene, I think seeing all of their real life selves just chilling in the real world was awesome, and I liked that they worked showing their real selves to the Circus cast; I think that was a nice touch that I don't think I would have thought of. I also liked the little cartoon clips in the credits showing the cast just living their lives after everything, that was awesome.

Like I said, over all I liked it, it was a nice way to wrap up the show and besides my head canon which I understand why it wasn't in the show, I don't know what they could have done to make it better. So again my mild disappointment probably partly stems from being spoiled and also definitely stems from Jax's fate because I was hoping for something else.

[ShadRose17]

https://youtube.com/...qxvhX2MbSZdnrTa

I feel like this is a really good take on the Caine thing, this would have been a neat thing to see.