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[Urvy]

Once again Em, we all know who to point the finger to blame for JN's premature end.

Anyway, I know their futures are unknown, and this is where fanon comes to play, sadly, most of the fanon has nothing but J/C mush fests villaifying the minor characters like Betty. That, and the immature J/C shippers out there.

[okmeamithinknow]

Once again Em, we all know who to point the finger to blame for JN's premature end.

Yes, the lack of money coming in from various JN merchandise coupled with the expense of making episodes.

~Crys~

[TrippedUp]

Yeah, I never got the villifying of any character in fanon... People apparently need to make the competition a Death Eater (I'm sorry, I visit TV Tropes a lot and I can't help using the site for examples) Betty is nice, and thats all we know. We know nothing else, so we gotta go with that.

The final episodes try to cement their relationship, as people usually hate when things are left open ended. Of course if you don't ship them, you'd hate it. And what makes you think that Cindy's default is just angry and vicious? This reminds me of a show InuYasha. His canon love interest is Kagome, who is villified by some of the fandom because of her angry tendencies towards InuYasha. They all seem to forget though, that he is not blameless, that he can be a jerk too.

Maybe because I've been in uhhh (like I guess, I can't call it love) with someone who got under my skin like no one else could. So it was conflicting falling for the guy. So you try to hide it by amping up the hate in the love/hate relationship.

Its a stereotype, the Takahashi Couple but then again, people might find Betty hooking up with Jimmy stereotypical as well. Geek gets popular girl anyone? All in all its opinion, and my opinion is that although I wouldn't be against J/B (the writers could've added to it and made it my beta-ship, J/C just makes more sense. He picked her didn't he?

[John Richards]

I've given up and admitted it-JC is what the writers wanted, JB is what the writers SHOULD HAVE wanted.

[Urvy]

Yeah John, they should gone the true way, but alas, they picked to have him be with a mean person.

[Mara=^.^=]

Well, might as well add to this convo.

I understand why some people prefer Betty over Cindy, since Cindy does have rather antagonistic tendencies. It makes perfect sense that some fans would rather see Jimmy in a "sweet" type of relationship rather than in an a "rivals" type of relationship. However, I think it's premature to just automatically assume Betty would be the best match for Jimmy.

I mean, what do we know about Betty? We know she's pretty, popular, we know she's flirty (don't tell me a girl who shows up to a party, dances on the table, and then kisses the host goodnight isn't "flirty"), she likes and is good at acting, and she's a big fan of magic. If you extrapolate out, you start to get a picture of a person who views the world emotionally and physically, not rationally and mentally like Jimmy. If Betty and Jimmy sat down and started conversing, I doubt they'd have much to talk about. Jimmy scorns magic. Betty loves it. Jimmy thinks acting and plays are stupid. Betty loves them. Jimmy is awkward and not into parties. Betty is the life of the party. And don't give me any of that "opposites attract" nonsense, either, because when you have fundamental differences in your worldview AND your interests, things don't often work out.

If you don't like J/C, then I would make the case that you should ship Jimmy x an OC of one kind or another. Someone who understands the sort of stuff Jimmy is interested in, has some interests of her own, and can deal with conflict without blowing up. In other words, maybe someone who's sort of a "halfway" between Betty and Cindy.

To me, J/B isn't viable.

~*Mara*~ = ^.^ =

[Urvy]

Well, glad to understand your POV there Mara, I hearby respect your opinion as much I respect others.

The problems to do an OC is creating it without having to resort to having the end result to be a Mary Sue.

[okmeamithinknow]

Yeah John, they should gone the true way, but alas, they picked to have him be with a mean person.

So I'm not going to get into this too much, but sorry Urvy. The writers did go the "true way". They are the writers and though we may not like the way that they written a particular character/episode/5-minute-segment, it's their creation that we're watching/reading/viewing and therefore whatever way they wrote it is the true way. Fandom aside, Cindy was Jimmy's final choice. Like it or not, that's the way the writers wrote it. They could have chosen to have him and Betty fall madly in love get married and live happily ever after, but they didn't. They chose Cindy and so did Jimmy. It doesn't even matter anyway. The odds are a little less than two percent that high school sweethearts will get married and never divorce, and these kids are only in elementary school.

I'm sorry for being grouchy and a brat, but I'm really tired of hearing Cindy vilified. We know you don't like her. Stop calling her a man beater; Jimmy's not a man. He's a child. She's a child! They're children for goodness sake! Why do we have to force them to get married in the first place? Jimmy could end up alone and quite content. Or he could be GAY!

The more this shipping war persists the more I want to ship Jimmy by himself.

~Crys~

[Mara=^.^=]

Or he could be GAY!

The more this shipping war persists the more I want to ship Jimmy by himself.

OMG YESSSSS hahahahaha

Imma ship Jimmy x all five of Jimmy's clones from now on.


~*Mara*~ = ^.^ =

[Mara=^.^=]

The problems to do an OC is creating it without having to resort to having the end result to be a Mary Sue.

LOL, so don't make it a Mary Sue! There, problem solved. It's really not that difficult to create a character with both strengths and flaws.


~*Mara*~ = ^.^ =

[okmeamithinknow]

OMG YESSSSS hahahahaha

Imma ship Jimmy x all five of Jimmy's clones from now on.


~*Mara*~ = ^.^ =

~Crys~

[Urvy]

Isin't that kinda like narcissism or something like that?

[okmeamithinknow]

Well wouldn't a Mary Sue written by you make Jimmy gay anyway?

~Crys~

[Mara=^.^=]

I've given up and admitted it-JC is what the writers wanted, JB is what the writers SHOULD HAVE wanted.

It works, it's cute, it's not a cliche, it's your typical 10-year-old 'crush' type of thing.

Not to knock your logic, Alex, but isn't saying that it's "not cliche", then immediately calling it "typical", kind of result in an oxymoron? If it's typical, how is it not cliche, when the two terms are related if not synonymous? Anyway, I would make the argument that both J/B and J/C are EQUALLY cliche, in two different ways. One is the slap-slap-kiss-kiss cliche, and one is the boy-likes-pretty-popular-older-girl cliche.

Taking this whole line of thinking a bit further, I'd say that if the writers really wanted to push for a different kind of couple, they should have gone for Jimmy x Libby. I know it's a bit unorthodox, but isn't that the idea here? I'm not saying their interests intersect enough for them to have tons of conversation, but wouldn't it be interesting to see how a J/L relationship played out? Libby's comparatively stoic and rational personality (she is the least highly strung in the group) and occasional vanity would be interesting paired with Jimmy's need to invent/push forward and his mental arrogance. Power couple? Maybe not. Possibly really cool to watch? I think yes. Plus it would have the added benefit of being a white guy/black chick combo, which is STILL rare on TV nowadays (only if race was never brought up as an issue in-show, though. Otherwise the ship would feel preachy).

I'm not saying I currently ship J/L, but if you're talking about what writers "should" have wanted, I'd push for that ship anyday.

~*Mara*~ = ^.^ =

[Mara=^.^=]

Well wouldn't a Mary Sue written by you make Jimmy gay anyway?

No, that would have to be a Gary Stu. Any gender can write either kind of Sue...it's just more common for chicks to write Mary Sues.

~*Mara*~ = ^.^ =

[TrippedUp]

OK, the Mary sue convo has me confused....

Also, J/L? I approve! XD Who doesn't enjoy crackshipping??

But seriously Urvy and others, you hate how Betty is villified in fanon, yet you continue to do the same for Cindy? Look, Betty is a nice character, and I liked her. But the writer's didn't do much with her...she's kind of there just to be a love interest to Jimmy and make Cindy jealous. She wasn't fleshed out much, so we don't know who would've been better for Jimmy.

[NekoGirl]

Well, might as well add to this convo.

I understand why some people prefer Betty over Cindy, since Cindy does have rather antagonistic tendencies. It makes perfect sense that some fans would rather see Jimmy in a "sweet" type of relationship rather than in an a "rivals" type of relationship. However, I think it's premature to just automatically assume Betty would be the best match for Jimmy.

I mean, what do we know about Betty? We know she's pretty, popular, we know she's flirty (don't tell me a girl who shows up to a party, dances on the table, and then kisses the host goodnight isn't "flirty"), she likes and is good at acting, and she's a big fan of magic. If you extrapolate out, you start to get a picture of a person who views the world emotionally and physically, not rationally and mentally like Jimmy. If Betty and Jimmy sat down and started conversing, I doubt they'd have much to talk about. Jimmy scorns magic. Betty loves it. Jimmy thinks acting and plays are stupid. Betty loves them. Jimmy is awkward and not into parties. Betty is the life of the party. And don't give me any of that "opposites attract" nonsense, either, because when you have fundamental differences in your worldview AND your interests, things don't often work out.

If you don't like J/C, then I would make the case that you should ship Jimmy x an OC of one kind or another. Someone who understands the sort of stuff Jimmy is interested in, has some interests of her own, and can deal with conflict without blowing up. In other words, maybe someone who's sort of a "halfway" between Betty and Cindy.

To me, J/B isn't viable.

~*Mara*~ = ^.^ =

Ahh, see this is why I've moved onto my JimmyxOC ideal, if I were to obsess over any Jimmy couple these days, it'd be something like what Mara described an OC specifically for Jimmy.

Granted, between Cindy & Betty, I'd prefer Betty a thousand times over, but at the same time not villanify either girl. (while it can be fun no doubt, that's only stooping down to the opposing fandom's methods)

But overall, I'd rather just see an OC for BOTH characters. Jimmy's, exactly what Mara described. Cindy's? Meh, never really thought about it, so I wouldn't be sure. x3

[John Richards]

When I come back to this board, I'm beginning to think that my "JN fandom" was actually two separate fandoms. One was a fandom of the show itself that ended when the show quit airing and I forgot about it. I while later, I nostalgia'd out. My fandom would have ended there, but I created my own version of Jimmy Neutron (the fanfic NaW) and fanned out over that, treating them as the same thing. Now, in retrospect, my opinions on the characters come largely from the latter.

[Sanjana R]

I'm not saying I currently ship J/L, but if you're talking about what writers "should" have wanted, I'd push for that ship anyday.

Epic Win.
I am a huge Cindy fan, and I mean, HUGE. She comes in first place for me as my favorite character on this show, even Jimmy comes second to her for me.
When people say that Cindy will be a monster who abuses Jimmy it makes me really mad because as other people have brought up, it is unlikely an eleven year old girl does not change in the future and stays immature. Yes, given at times, it is her fault the two argue, but one thing EVERY JB shipper seems to forget is that Jimmy isn't Mr. Perfect himself...he hasn't exactly made it very easy for her either. He likes to compete with her, that's shown throughout the series. Competing with her actually prompts him to come up with a lot of his inventions, like the Nanobots in ROTN when he wants to beat her at poetry.

Betty is the type of girl who I honestly feel was a type of temporary Mary Sue inserted to give a spark to the JC romance by giving something to Cindy to be jealous about. Also, Betty gives up Jimmy, and yes, I know that that conversation was kind of ambiguous and we don't know her motives or if she ever liked Jimmy back, but the fact is, SHE gives HIM up, and he picks Cindy! We don't know anything about Betty.

So she loves magic and acting...so? Does that make her any better of a person?
So she's been nice to him and danced with him on a table...so?
We don't know her flaws. And, yes, perfect as she seems, she has them, unless she's like a Bella in which case she's even worse.
She seems nice, but we don't know her backstory, her feelings for Jimmy, nothing.

When people turn Cindy into a villain, they don't realize she's a HUMAN. She has flaws. Well, so does Betty, although we don't see them.
So, she's a bit narcissistic, but aren't we all? I mean, she HAS a right to be, technically, she works hard to get where she is, and she's determined!
She's a sassy, sweet girl, and she's smart as heck.
So yeah. I'm okay with JB shippers in general, but JB shippers taking an odd target at Cindy?
Not cool! xD

[Urvy]

i don't consider bullies as humans. Weither if they change or not, bullies are animals.

If SpongeBob didn't kill JN's chances of success, we would gotten more about Betty's life and such.