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[SheWolf]

So it is almost Xmas so I thought this might be a fitting topic. What do guys think about this ep? Personally, I have mixed feelings about it. Like it wasn't terrible but there were things about it that bothered me. The fact that Jimmy doesn't believe in Santa Claus and Cindy, Libby, and Sheen being mean to him about hurting Carl's feelings. I also don't understand why Cindy and Libby got coal at the end. Another thing is that it was insinuated in Phantom of Retroville that Santa real isn't real in the JN universe when Sheen realizes that his dad and Santa's signature are the same, so that was kinda confusing. It's been a while since I actually watched this ep (I just watched a YouTube vid discussing it) so maybe I should rewatch it? Idk...

[JimmyxxCindy4EVER]

Nice topic choice, girl! Yeah, they were trying to get back at him, but it was only Cindy and Libby who were trying to do that, and Sheen wasn't a part of that. In the midst of the girls trying to sabotage Jimmy, it was also while he was trying to save Christmas with Carl and Sheen's help, so for interfering with those heroic efforts, Cindy and Libby both got lumps of coal while Jimmy, Carl, and Sheen got nice presents. Frankly, I think the girls deserved it; they were trying to sabotage him while he was trying to save the day, after all!

A lump of COAL?!

Do me a favor... Next time I suggest we humiliate somebody, don't LISTEN!!

[SheWolf]

That makes sense. I guess I forgot parts of it. It's been a while since I watched the ep. What do you think of the bit about whether Santa is real or not in the JN universe and how it was contradicted in another ep?

[JimmyxxCindy4EVER]

My theory on that is that he is definitely real in their universe, but Mr. Estevez just masqueraded as him one time and wound up fooling Sheen at the time. Then later in the ep The Phantom of RetroLand, he finds out it was really his dad and not Santa... Plus, it must've been in an earlier part of December when that happened, cuz when else would anyone dress up like Santa? It wouldn't have been on Christmas Eve, cuz that would've conflicted with the real guy and if Sheen saw two Santas at the same time in the same place, he would've been able to tell the difference the first time around and the real Santa probably would've signed his autograph book.

[SheWolf]

Haha, yeah that's a good explanation. Kinda seems like Sheen's dad doesn't really believe Santa exists since he tried tricking him.

[JimmyxxCindy4EVER]

At least by the time of the ep Holly Jolly Jimmy, though, Sheen found out the truth, that he is real, after all. Kinda makes me wonder what Sheen said to his dad about it once they were all back home... If he remembered to tell him about it, that is... Sheen doesn't have the best memory when it comes to some things...

[Neon2500]

As I've said previously I despise it

Not every show needs a Christmas special!

[Neon2500]

And the bigger problem with this episode - THERE ARE ALREADY PRESENTS BEFORE SANTA/JIMMY COME ALONG! In Jimmy Neutron's house there are already presents under his tree in the earlier scene when he asks Hugh about Santa Claus. CINDY AND LIBBY GOT THE CAMERA BECAUSE THEY WERE OPENING THEIR PRESENTS EARLY! Can somebody please explain what role Santa plays if people already have presents? Are his gifts just like, a bonus or something?

 

Ha I know I'm taking this episode too seriously but this is like the worst plot-hole this series has ever had 

[Neon2500]

Nice topic choice, girl! Yeah, they were trying to get back at him, but it was only Cindy and Libby who were trying to do that, and Sheen wasn't a part of that. In the midst of the girls trying to sabotage Jimmy, it was also while he was trying to save Christmas with Carl and Sheen's help, so for interfering with those heroic efforts, Cindy and Libby both got lumps of coal while Jimmy, Carl, and Sheen got nice presents. Frankly, I think the girls deserved it; they were trying to sabotage him while he was trying to save the day, after all!

 

My Take:

 

 

I think she means that Sheen was initially mad at Jimmy for upsetting Carl, saying "Jimmy, what is your problem" after Carl runs out of the room and bringing it up later. As for Cindy and Libby I thought the lumps of coal were a bit harsh since Jimmy was not doing anything heroic at the time they sabotaged him (he was only trying to prove Santa's nonexistence). They were trying to punish him for being such a jerk at the school's Christmas party but - ended up themselves getting punished because Carl forgave Jimmy? The message definitely comes across as muddled. The girls aren't particularly good friends with Carl so that's where it doesn't make sense - I think Cindy prob just wanted another excuse to humiliate Jimmy, but (as she points out at the end) Libby's the one who suggested it, so idk...

 

 

[JimmyxxCindy4EVER]

And the bigger problem with this episode - THERE ARE ALREADY PRESENTS BEFORE SANTA/JIMMY COME ALONG! In Jimmy Neutron's house there are already presents under his tree in the earlier scene when he asks Hugh about Santa Claus. CINDY AND LIBBY GOT THE CAMERA BECAUSE THEY WERE OPENING THEIR PRESENTS EARLY! Can somebody please explain what role Santa plays if people already have presents? Are his gifts just like, a bonus or something?
 
Ha I know I'm taking this episode too seriously but this is like the worst plot-hole this series has ever had

Not sure about that second one, but I just had a theory about those extra presents they had... I betcha it was the parents who got those initial ones before Santa brought the others... ...Oh, wait, now I think I can comment on your second quote... Yeah, it's true he was trying to disprove Santa's existence for a while, but once he couldn't deliver every last present and had to be rescued by him along with Carl and Sheen, he helped Santa finish delivering the gifts to Retroville, and they got spectacular gifts cuz of that. Did you forget that Jimmy initially accidentally scrambled Santa's atoms before trying to deliver the gifts? Don't think Jimmy realized it at the time, but he was actually helping the big guy out after that incident without realizing it at first... As for Cindy and Libby getting coal, they were gonna blackmail him by showing the world what he accidentally did to Santa to give Jimmy a bad name, since they were filming the incident, after all. That's why the girls got coal while the boys got great gifts... See what I mean there?

[Neon2500]

Yeah I understand why the girls got coal - but I disagree with what you said about Jimmy. Jimmy, after all the elves told him he scrambled Santa’s atoms, thought the elves were just trying to jump off the lie after realizing he was on to them (literally the only reason why he delivered the gifts was to prove there was no Santa). I get that Cindy and Libby were being jerks too, but I just always felt like Jimmy was very annoying and out-of-character throughout the episode - it starts off with him literally INTERROGATING Carl about the truth in Santa despite knowing Carl isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed and wouldn’t have answers to such questions. He is also quite rude to the elves upon arriving in Santa’s workshop - it isn’t until Santa actually shows up that he shows any remorse for any of it. Also Jimmy didn’t even want to go to the North Pole, the entire adventure was Carl and Sheen’s idea. This is the way I often feel about Jimmy, that he is treated as a hero for just dealing with the consequences of his own actions.

Really the main reason why Jimmy got an extra gift is because he is the main character and it’s nice if he’s happy at the end of his Christmas Special - this episode just always struck me as unusually mean-spirited which is why it’s funny that it’s the Christmas special.

EDIT - Not to sound picky or anything, I totally get what you were saying, I just happened to notice you used the word “blackmail” incorrectly - it refers to forcing someone to do something or else you will do something bad to them - Cindy and Libby never did this, they just filmed his accident to turn people against him (which is different). No hard feelings, sorry but that’s just my inner language nerd