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#21 Mara=^.^=

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 03:24 AM

You guys are hilarious. I love this topic, despite not loving Hook.

 

Okay, so I don't hate Hook as much as I used to, but I still haven't forgiven him for what he did to Belle. Not loving that he's with Emma because he was a shooty-mc-shooterpants and that's just Not Cool, Yo.

 

@Katie: I sorta used to feel the same way you did about Hook...and Regina, and Rumple, and ...well, most of the baddies in OUAT, but I've since come to accept that the writers love to redeem villains either partially or completely, aaaand since I don't take the show particularly seriously anyway, it's fine with me.

 

The way I see it, each of the evildoers in OUAT has one or more "fatal flaws" that overshadows their nobler nature. For Rumplestiltskin it's fear, for Regina it's wrath, for Peter Pan it's selfish entitlement, for Cora it's greed for power/prestige, for Zelena it's envy, and for Hook it's vengeance. Generally, the way the writers separate out the redeemable villains from the irredeemable ones is to give each baddie one or more chances to choose love over his or her fatal flaw. By this metric I'd say that Peter Pan was actually the most malevolent baddie in the series, because he's wholly without love, except for himself.  Zelena had a chance to be happy and loved, but she eventually let jealousy and paranoia get the better of her. Cora was pretty much rotten to the core, but she DID love Regina inside that ripped-out heart of hers...buuuut she died before the plot gave her a chance to redeem herself, so...yeah. Hook seems to have taken his chance at redemption-via-love, and Regina and Rumple keep on going back and forth.

 

Now, in the REAL world, choosing love wouldn't give you a free pass on all the bullshit you pulled in the past. But in OUAT-land, they play by different rules. Love trumps all for whatever reason, and the characters are seemingly so accustomed to crazy psychotic behavior that they're quicker to forgive past wrongs if the perp genuinely regrets his or her behavior. >.< At this point, the way I assess OUAT villains is to look at their motivations and past actions and try to determine how big of a future risk they pose. Hook? I think Emma will be able to keep him in line. I honestly don't think he poses that much of a threat to the people of Storybrooke. Ergo, I have no problem with the other characters forgiving him. (Plus, let's be honest...as far as villains go, he's just fun).

 

With Regina, it's a tougher call. She changes alliances more often than I change socks, and because she has so much spite and anger in her heart, I can't think that her future path will be easy. However, I really, REALLY hope the writers don't use the Robin Hood/Marian thing as an excuse to retcon all the progress Regina has made, because it would be stupid for her to go all Evil Queen-y again just because her new love interest didn't work out. Her love of Henry should trump any romantic disappointments, given the amount of time that's been dedicated to building up the mother-son bond. Unfortunately, she's said herself that she doesn't regret any of the bad things she's done (because it led her to Henry), so that doesn't exactly bode well ^^;

Mr. Gold is another animal entirely. On the one hand, he was willing to freaking DIE to redeem himself in the eyes of his son. On the other hand, he lied to Belle about the dagger and used her as an alibi so that he could get away with killing Zelena. I honestly don't think it's possible for Rumplestiltskin to ever truly be a good guy because of one simple fact: he's the friggin' Dark One. Even if the human part of him becomes a goody-two-shoes, he will ALWAYS have that darkness deep down. It's just the nature of the beast, if you'll pardon the pun. (On an aside, I actually liked what the writers did with the whole duplicate-dagger thing. Rumple's actions were simultaneously devious and just - just because he swore to avenge his son and, as the Dark One, always follows through on his deals, and devious because he manipulated someone who trusted him in order to do it. Of course, I'm SURE it's going to come back to bite him in the ass. It's too bad, too, because I think in a perfect world Rumple WOULD entrust Belle with the power to control the Dark One. My guess is that he's afraid Belle won't be able to keep the dagger out of less trustworthy hands. It's that damn fear thing again, ruining his relationships... Sigh).

 

 

As for his physical appearance, I shall bow to your expertise, since my experience with physical attraction is extremely limited. When I see Hook I see "fairly symmetrical with socially acceptable facial hair and the light eyes/dark hair contrast" which deems him attractive in my head categories of how men get classified. Add in pirate leather and that makes him rogueishly attractive. This is how I must go about life to try and understand how others view guys. Yay asexuality.

I am a sucker for the eyes/hair contrast, I'll admit :wub2: It just looks so friggin cool, on both guys and girls. Plus, in Mara's weird little fantasy world, any man wearing pirate clothing gets a +10 to his attractiveness score. I just love the aesthetic. It's SO BADASS fuckyeaplz.gif  (In all honesty, though, a huge part of the reason I like him is because of the constant snark. Flirtatious sassing makes me so happy).

 

Go get him! I shall cheer from the sidelines, after I rescue Belle from her own morally grey romantic interest.

I'm guessing Belle is your favorite character? I actually identify more with Emma, who was herself a thief and ne'er-do-well in the past, so "morally grey" doesn't particularly bother me ;)

 

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#22 RocksmySocks

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 01:16 AM

I essentially agree with your mini essay above, Mara, in terms of how the writers go about the characters. My trouble is that I still can't personally overlook all that as easily, especially since Hook wasn't meant to be this big of a character and he only got more of a part because fangirls went nuts. It's a pet peeve of mine for "he's hot, have him on more!" to actually WORK with writers. The only redemption story I'm actually invested in is Regina's.

 

And no, Belle's not my favorite. ;) She's my favorite Disney lady, so I think that's why I get so upset over her in OUAT. But she's not my favorite OUAT gal. In OUAT someone needs to slap some sense into her and drag her away from the abusive relationship hole she's jumped into.

 

Overall, I don't take the show super seriously, but as someone who doesn't "get" physical attraction, I've found little value in Hook from the start. It's only lately that he's grown on me, now that he's established some actual moral ground. And even so, I just sort of tolerate him as a character and roll my eyes when he makes out with Emma. Neal forever. TEARS.


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#23 Mara=^.^=

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 01:58 AM

Maybe I'm just biased because I love rogue/scallywag type characters ^^; Even if he weren't hot, I'd still want more of his presence in OUAT ;) PIRATES FTW :rock:

 

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:21 AM

@Katie, while it is true that the fangirls went nuts, from what I understood they gave Hook more screen time based on the fact that he had chemistry with the other characters. And in a recent statement they said that they were planning for Hook and Emma to be 'kindred spirits' from the beginning. Not necessarily romantically, but definitely on the same level as one another. 

 

I will find the sources for you if you want.  (Not that I completely take what they say 100% to face. I do believe that they are milking Captain Hook for all he's worth.) But his pretty face is not the only reason. :) 


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#25 Mara=^.^=

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 08:57 AM

Well, here's how I see it: even if he were in the show purely as a fanservice character, I'd still be on board with it. In fact, I'd probably say "'bout freakin time". There are 35689754577 movies and shows out there that include fanservice for straight dudes. It's only fair that the rest of us get a piece of the action every once in awhile. I guess what I'm saying is...I'm in favor of media where women are given the opportunity to be the ogler rather than the oglee >.< It's a surprisingly validating experience.
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#26 Katia11

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 04:42 PM

This is true! :) It is very nice to look at pretty men. ;) 


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 02:10 AM

Maybe I'm just biased because I love rogue/scallywag type characters ^^; Even if he weren't hot, I'd still want more of his presence in OUAT ;) PIRATES FTW :rock:

 

~*Mara*~ = ^.^ =

 

P.S. Who IS your favorite lady, then?

 

 

Probably Emma. Sometimes Regina, depending on her level of evil-tude (I seem to prefer a nice middle ground with her...not too evil, not too sappy, right in the middle is best to watch.)

 

 

@Katie, while it is true that the fangirls went nuts, from what I understood they gave Hook more screen time based on the fact that he had chemistry with the other characters. And in a recent statement they said that they were planning for Hook and Emma to be 'kindred spirits' from the beginning. Not necessarily romantically, but definitely on the same level as one another. 

 

I will find the sources for you if you want.  (Not that I completely take what they say 100% to face. I do believe that they are milking Captain Hook for all he's worth.) But his pretty face is not the only reason. :)

 

Oh, I'm not denying that the writers had a role for him to play other than to be pretty. Just saying that he wasn't originally meant to have the size of the role he has now (or, necessarily, the successful romance that he has now with Emma). That changed as he gained popularity, and there really isn't anything out there denying that. And heck, I'd want a successful show too, so I'm not necessarily begrudging the show staff of their decision to do that. I don't think I'd be bothered nearly as much about all this if I liked him more. If he was a character I PERSONALLY wanted to see more of, I'd be thrilled he had more screentime! :) ;) Sadly, that's not the case for me.

 

So I'm glad to see that some people at least are happy with his existence on the show. That makes watching his scenes easier, because I can at least in my head go, "Ooooh, Mara and Katie will like this!" rather than "Ugh, this dude again...seriously, can we move on?"

 

Honestly, that does help me. So gush away. Go nuts. It seriously does give me more of a reason to try and like Hook.


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#28 Mara=^.^=

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 08:52 AM

That makes watching his scenes easier, because I can at least in my head go, "Ooooh, Mara and Katie will like this!" rather than "Ugh, this dude again...seriously, can we move on?"

 

Honestly, that does help me. So gush away. Go nuts. It seriously does give me more of a reason to try and like Hook.

You're such a good sport! :bff:

 

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 01:42 AM

You're such a good sport! :bff:

 

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:13 AM

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 04:55 AM

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 11:52 AM

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 12:41 PM

Nerds of a feather flock together ;)

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 02:49 AM

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LOOK AT THAT FACE. LOOK AT IT. 


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#35 JimmyxxCindy4EVER

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:13 PM

Pardon my French, but holy SHIT!! Those EYES!!! :wub2:
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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:32 PM

I KNOW RIGHT???!!

 

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:21 PM

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 01:29 PM

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some gifs of hook touching his lips.

 

 

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 03:51 PM

Eep. :blink:
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Posted 07 July 2014 - 01:29 AM

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